Agree with you. He did what he needed to do and that makes me feel better about him as a HC.
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You arenât explaining it clearly. Here is the basic contract. $20 million for 5 years.
Jan 1st 2018 he gets paid $4m
Jan 1st 2019 he gets paid $4m
Jan 1st 2020 he gets paid $4m
Jan 1st 2021 he gets paid $4m
Dec 1st 2021 he breaks the contract to go to another school
He has been paid $16m so far. He does not get paid the remaining $4m on Jan 1st 2022, because he broke the contract. Does the coach have to pay a penalty from the $16 million he already got paid? If not, then itâs not a penalty for the coach not getting paid while he is getting paid at the new job. But if the school fires him a year early, they have to pay him and pay the new coach they hire to replace him.
9-3 isnât mediocre. sure its a disappointment considering the expectations going into the season but 9-3 is a good year.
Itâs my understanding that he owes $4M just like the school does. At least thatâs how I understood based on following Sumlinâs contract at A&M. Neither side could get out of it.
Only if youâre looking at it in a complete vacuum, which is my entire point.
Follow up question. Youâve said on here plenty of times that if we donât make a NY6 bowl this year, CMA needs to go. Will that still be your opinion if he goes 9-3 but doesnât even make the AAC championship game?
Itâs a positive of sorts. As long as any/if any offensive struggles donât get attributed to âgrowing painsâ and an excuse for âneed more time.â If you change offensive coordinators, itâs to make an immediate impact.
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Fair enough, but I still think 3 years (as opposed to 2) is a more fair sample size to come to any solid conclusions.
Either way, itâs all things that the school agrees to. They can structure in a different way if they want and get a more favorable contract for the school if the other party agrees. We did it with Applewhite.
Agree, except Noble was/is the starting center.
My understanding, at Tilmanâs insistence, Applewhite had to have a buyout that equaled the remainder of the contract and increased if within the state. Why would they have a buyout that equaled the remainder of the contract if Applewhite already owed the remainder of the contract without a buyout? The only clause they would need to add, is the increased penalty for being in state. 
lol herman hasnât trended down in his three seasons. texas will be a much better team this season year 2 under him. in fact i wouldnât be surprised if they win the big 12. i hurts me to say that but its the truth.
I donât think the buyout is intended to be a penalty for the coach. Itâs intended to be a penalty/hurdle for the poaching school. Itâs always the poaching school that pays that buyout and the money is used to soften the blow of paying the next coach. And, Iâm no employment law expert, but Iâm sure taking back earned money would be some kind of employment law violation. Thatâs just a guess though.
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Not sure how 13-1, 9-3, 7-6 is not trending down, but ok.
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Noble was a Summer 2014 commit. Some of the kids that committed after Herman was announced the head coach ie recruited by Herman or Hermanâs staff:
Tyrek Gray
Kameron Eloph
Joshua Jones
Jordan Milburn
Darius Gilbert
Jarrid Williams
Kobe Idumwonyi
Ryan Deshotel
Devin Smith
Michael Eke
Tyrell Thompson
Rusty Clark
Anyone that attributes those Hermin commits to the teamâs 2015 success is trolling.
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applewhite will not have distractions this season which is why i said that. herman left applewhite in a good situation talent wise and CMA brought in talent himself via the transfers. he literally has no excuse this season. hermanâs year 2 didnât meet the standards we expected coming off the peach bowl win but 9-3 wasnât bad given how players knew he was leaving.
year 1 in a major conference.
saban went 6-5-1 at Michigan st year 1
he went 8-4 year one at lsu
he wasnât that good at bama year 1
chris Peterson went 8-6 year one at Washington
brian Kelly went 8-5 year one at ND
I donât think Herman had a great season each of the last two years but that analysis is a bit too simplistic donât you think? It was UTâs highest conference finish in 4 years and first bowl win in 5 years. If the team he coached didnât trend down, how did the coach? 
Because he has a Herman crush. Still not convinced he is actually a coog fan.
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Thatâs precisely why Iâm saying this whole conversation is stupid. One canât look at things in a vacuum. One canât say in one breath that Herman is a great coach because he went 13-1 in year 1 at UH after a previous coach went 8-5, but then get a complete pass for going 7-6 after a previous coach went 5-7. Circumstances matter. He stepped into a pretty good situation at UH and took advantage. He stepped into a not-so-great situation at UT (although with good talent to work with) and did marginally better than the previous guy.
I think itâs too early to judge either one of these guys based on their head coaching prowess. But this thread is attempting to decide right now which one is better. My point is any opinion on this topic is purely a guess, probably biased by the outcome you want. We canât even venture an educated guess because there just isnât enough data. This year will be year 2 for both coaches at their employer. Circumstances are still way different, but at least weâll be able to consider adjustments. While I have gotten lost in the weeds a bit on this thread, my overall point remains intact. There is no comparison to be made at this point in time.
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I wrote, âIn addition,our OC and OL coach were at odds and our offense suffered (as did our fans, I might add).â I am not sure how that is much different from âSaying our offense struggled AND our assistants were at odds.â Regardless, our offense did suffer (or struggle, if you prefer) and the fact that our OC and OL were at odds had to be a contributing factor â not necessarily the only reason, but a contributing factor.