The state of college football…
Not sure you know what NIL was intended for.
Paying players to play has never been legal. Just because it was done in the past does not make it right now. It wasn’t right then. Just a lot more money and impact now.
Pizza delivery example is garbage. Do you pay a student to work for a pizza place and deliver pizzas to other people? NIL now allows players to work for a pizza place. That ruling says players can work outside of school as can any other student. NIL IS NOT THE SCHOOL OR EMPLOYER PAYING AN EMPLOYEE. IT IS OUTSIDE SOURCES!
Yes, Paying player was considered illegal. Guess what, it still is. NIL is not approved for paying a player to sign with a school. It is for an outside company to pay a player for them to be in a commercial or promote their company.
The paying players is the revenue sharing about to start. Actual NIL was never done in the past.
These fans I am talking about are you. Ones that do not know what is going on.
That discussion starts in July when schools will be paying players. That has limits and balances for all school to have the same playing field (to an extent as it does force out G5). At least for the ones that choose to afford it.
All pro sports have limits and guidelines to balance the playing field among teams. If you don’t want that, guess what, UH will not compete without it. If you want a free for all, so be it, that is what we have now and it is killing the sport as I see fans across all boards I read fed up with it.
Ignorance of what NIL is - that is part of the problem.
That is what I have been saying. It needs guidelines.
Ok other areas are problems too. Can agree.
I have said many times. It is possible to regulate NIL deals based on fair market values. A dealer pays millions for a commercial spot, when no other player would come close, not even pro players, then it is obviously not valid.
There are whole businesses based around evaluating values of products and services. Professional appraisers set values on autographs everyday for commercial resale.
Only people that say something is worth what ever anyone is willing to pay are those that want to break the rules and buy a player. Those that believe in winning off the field and not fair play.
Not really a good example.
While in law school, that student can’t be licensed to practice, and as such, can’t demand this kind of money. Not even close. I mean, yeah, there are technically no limits on what an unlicensed student law clerk or legal intern can make while in law school, but at the same time, NONE can make big bucks in those jobs. There are no big bucks available in the legal field without a law degree and license in hand (and even then, a licensed attorney may never make super big bucks).
Many of those law school student interns or clerks are working for low money, or, in some cases, NO money. They may be working more for the future employment connections, experience, resume material, or even for academic credit (as I did during the summer between my second and third years in law school at UH as an intern with the Ft. Bend County DA’s Office).
See by contrast……
Some of these jocks, OTOH, are making millions per year from NIL. That’s more than most licensed, practicing attorneys make.
You just proved my point…law students are allowed to work while they are still students…if they are bright up and coming future lawyers, they will have multiple offers.
That’s the whole point.
Student athletes were prohibited from working pre-NIL. Zero money… Couldn’t even accept a sandwich even while all other scholarship students were allowed to make money off of their talents while still in school because firms want to align with them before graduation
Is the system being taken advantage of? Yes, 100% but that’s an entirely different discussion from student athletes now having equal rights for making money based on their value to the marketplace…just like all other scholarship students.
And Yes…top law firms …top accounting firms…etc…entice top students to work for them, even before they graduate.
I know a former student that had a very high paying job…while he still had 2 years left to graduate
But they DON’T make that money while in law school, unlike these jocks who can make millions while in college.
So no, your argument isn’t valid and isn’t on point.
And even when they finish law school, they may have a good paying, but NOT in the millions offer in hand to join a big firm as an associate, but if they flunk the bar and don’t get licensed, then they won’t keep that job.
So, you are saying law students are PROHIBITED from making outside money while attending law school?
That is news to me.
I was an architecture student and we were allowed to have a job while attending class.
I interned at a firm with multiple years left before graduation. Many of us did.
Student Athletes, however, were LEGALLY PROHIBITED from making any money while an athlete at xyz University.
The NIL ruling overturned that…so now they can make money.
“How” they make the money is what is controversial
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As I said, there’s no such prohibition, but it’s not the same, because likewise, there is no such comparable opportunity, given that law students can’t be licensed to practice, and as such, can’t make big bucks in the legal field WHILE IN SCHOOL.
No student other than a jock is going to rake in comparable big bucks in their field while in school.
Licensed not licensed…is not the point…they COULD earn.
Before NIL, student athletes were prohibited from making a single penny.
How much they take in is irrelevant to the Supreme Court ruling…that’s determined by the market
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But they could NOT earn and NEVER COULD earn that kind of money while in law school doing legal work.
NOT close.
NOT comparable.
Bad analogy, bad argument.
Find me a law student that can make millions a year doing legal work while in law school in the same the way that a jock can earn millions doing jock work while in college through NIL, and maybe I’ll consider that to be a logical comparison and valid argument.
Given that you can’t, I won’t.
Your acting argument was a solid one.
The lawyer one was not, for the reasons stated.
How much they make isnt even part of this argument. Anything more than a penny is the line of demarcation
Pre NIL, per the law
Can students make outside money while attending class.
Non Athletes- Yes
Athletes- No
Post NIL ruling, per the law
Can students make outside money while attending class.
Non Athletes- Yes
Athletes- Yes
In a capitalistic society, the market determines their worth…not you or me.
Now…the NCAA can adjust their transfer rules to counter this NIL madness but, as of today, they have not
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Not acting…but want a perfect example.
Shakira, after she was famous, attended UCLA…she was still allowed to make MILLIONS off of her NIL while attending class…why? Because she wasnt there for athletics. Her NIL had value to the marketplace
Many actors/actresses do this, even while acting or post acting …however, student athletes were prohibited from having income sources while attending said University
As I said, actors are good examples, as are musicians.
Law students are NOT, for the reasons stated.
A law student can earn, whether as an intern, or at MackyD’s, while in law school, but CANNOT make big bucks, much less millions, while in law school for doing legal work.
A jock, by contrast, CAN make big bucks, even millions, while in school from doing jock work via NIL.
Not comparable, not close.
Bad example and bad argument.
You should have confined your argument to ENTERTAINERS like actors, musicians, etc.
An actor or musician can indeed make big bucks doing acting or music work while simultaneously studying those same subjects at a college or university.
A law student, by contrast, CANNOT earn big bucks doing legal work while in law school, as they cannot be licensed while in law school, and unlicensed legal work by non-law school graduates never provides big salaries.
For the law student, law school is mostly about earning little and going deeply into student loan debt while in law school……in the hopes of making big bucks AFTER law school.
VERY different from the jock, whose education gets paid for via scholarships, thus no debt, and who, unlike the law student, can now make millions doing jock work while in school, unlike the law student who can’t earn the same for doing legal work while in law school.
You bring up the exact issue of current NIL: allowed to work. . NIL is working or using your likeness for something. The athletes are not doing that. Thus given money but not working. NIL is not to play football or any other sport. That is the revenue sharing from the schools starting this summer.
(The past stuff is totally irrelevant)
I have no expertise in legal matters. I donate to the NIL. My thinking is that if this in the hand we are dealt, then maybe we can brainstorm and drive the NIL money up. We will need it to be competitive in the Big 12.
Working also includes allowing your Name Image Likeness to a brand…a company… or a collective…it doesn’t just include physical work
Your “Likeness” is providing value to whoever is paying for it
THAT is the loop hole.
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Agree that was original intent; but it really doesn’t matter based
upon recent SC rulings.
How do you construct an argument, to take before the Supreme Court ,
that an athlete cannot be compensated or paid by a collective because of ???
History ? We don’t like it ? What grounds can you deny someone from making
money ?
You can pretty much pay people to do whatever you want as long as it’s
not prostitution, committing a crime, or involves minors. I see no way to
rope in or regulate NIL income for athletes.
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You clearly do not understand what I wrote and if you do not understand what I wrote it is my fault. I fully understand what N.I.L. is all about. It is 100% self image driven. It has nothing to do about school paying players.
Now, even though paying players in the past was never legal we all know how blue bloods and others got the best players. It was boosters paying players under the table. Anyone denying is lying to themselves.
Now the revenue sharing is what this is all about:
One of the major consequences is what will happen to sports other than football and basketball? That is the main point for me. Do not be surprised friends if olympic sports programs suffer the biggest blow from this. This will have a direct impact on how many medals are won maybe not the upcoming olympic games but more than likely two games from now.
Moreover you can almost be sure that this won’t be the end of it.
I do not feel sorry when the players get it from the fan base. The big guys on the roster are now paid good and being critical of them when they fail or try to use leverage that fails comes with the territory. If these young men cannot take the pressure then they should transfer to a lower level and play. I am glad Tennessee said bye.