I agree that no school is moving from the SEC to the Big 10, but don’t you thinkg the SEC’s lack of presence in the North central rust belt (including Chicago), NE (New York/Boston) and west coast (California) will also hurt the SEC in attracting schools to move? Similar to the Big 10 not having a southern presence…
The argument works both ways which is why I do not see schools leaving the B1G either.
No.
In fact it’s the very opposite. If Michigan and Ohio State were in the SEC, travel logistics and expenses would be way less inconvenient, especially given 4 schools in the Big Ten are located in the west coast. It’s also going to be expensive for West Coast schools to be traveling all the way to the rust built.
The SEC is the most powerful conference because they are located in the most football-hungry region in America. The SEC doesn’t need to expand unless schools add to the pie (Ohio State and Michigan) with the exception of 2 schools: UVA and UNC. Both schools are flagships, land grants, prestigious academically, and provide a boost to the SEC’s basketball relevance. However, Big Ten could potentially attempt to target UNC and UVA as well.
SEC doesn’t need to be in the west or rust belt. Bottom line.
The Big Ten needs to be in the south for the long term.
I was specifically asking about the statement on “Big Ten’s lack of presence in the South is going to pose a problem for the networks”, so the travel part is not an aspect. It seems you are saying the networks do not care about the north central Chicago area or the west coast, Correct?
Yep about 90 band members plus a dozen spirit team members. Far smaller than UH’s 300 (?) band members. Maybe it’s not a requirement to go to the road games so possibly only 75 go.
For OK State, they have a big band going to Tulsa and possibly TCU.
The SEC doesn’t care about being in the north or west coast, and other than Michigan, Ohio State, and Notre Dame, there aren’t any other schools that really add to the SEC’s pie. USC is a blue blood in football, but adding one west coast school isn’t really worth the money.
Who’s left? Nebraska? Penn State? UCLA? I think Penn State could fit the SEC.
The Big Ten obviously owns the rust belt and west coast, but essentially it comes down to whether or not FOX (and co.) still wants to compete with ESPN to pay almost $100 Million to an 18-team conference just to keep Ohio State and Michigan happy.
If FOX (and co.) can’t keep those 2 happy, then I don’t we why Ohi state and Michigan wouldn’t consider jumping to the SEC, where ESPN has the books to pay even more to the SEC.
The Big 12 has 4 schools in Texas, 4 schools in Pacific Timezones (Four Corner Schools), and the Big 8 schools (Midwest) with a few schools in the east.
It would make more sense for USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington to join the Big 12, and then Nebraska and a few others to essentially collapse the Big Ten in a conference that makes more sense financially from FOX’s perspective.
The ACC by that point is already long gone.
Penn State…yes
Didn’t really answer my question on networks to what I was trying to understand, but I will extrapolate from your comments. Will just have to disagree with your thoughts on this one still.
Big 10 just makes more.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, is leaving the B1G for the SEC. Other than Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State, the SEC wouldn’t care about anyone. And they are not leaving.
Living in Texas and seeing how the SWC operated, the SWC was an outlier. It was cutthroat warring factions within the same family. Not all conferences are like that. You won’t see unequal distribution of revenue. The conference still stresses academics and has ALOT of old school money.
When you look at the population of the United States, look at where the the B1G schools are and their populations in relation to the SEC. That is why the B1G will always command significant dollars.
First of all, NO B1G school is leaving the higher paying and more academically prestigious B1G for the lower paying and less academically prestigious SEC.
NONE!!! PRINT IT!!!
I have been critical of the use of P2.
But, if this refers to sec and Big12, then I am fine with it.
Again…. This rhetoric really only applies to schools like Northwestern, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Maryland, Purdue, etc…
The big dogs like Michigan and Ohio State don’t need a conference to validate their prestige.
That being said, I still fail to understand how the SEC is less prestigious than the Big Ten when they have Texas, which is the most profitable college football brand in history and is still just as prestigious academically as Big Ten schools. The SEC pre-UT and you have an argument.
Lastly, FOX, CBS, NBC, or ESPN, do not care about academic prestige. That doesn’t make them money.
The B1G commands big dollars because of 4 schools in that conference
If Ohio State and Michigan leave the Big Ten, that conference is getting a serious pay cut.
If Ohio State and Michigan join the SEC, then that conference is getting a pay raise.
The B1G has the distinction that 17 of their 18 members are in the AAU, and they take a lot of pride in that. As good of a school as Texas is, they’re not notably better than USC or UCLA or Michigan or Northwestern or Illinois – that is, they wouldn’t really stand out in the B1G from an academic perspective. Meanwhile, in the SEC, Michigan would be slumming it academically by letting schools like Mississippi State or Alabama or Arkansas hang in their orbit.
Academically, even with Texas, the SEC isn’t particularly close to the B1G or even the ACC.
The research/dollars generated by B1G schools is impressive, unmatched and adds to the prestige of the brand. It’s why many at Texas would have preferred to be in a conference of academic equals.
Still don’t think the SEC will take a look at Duke?
Average Football Viewership for 2023
IF the 3 x 20 P3 is in play, this is how the pieces could land:
B1G adds
Notre Dame (19)
Virginia (20)
SEC adds
North Carolina (17)
Duke (18)
Kansas (19)
Florida State (20)
Big 12 adds
Clemson (16)
Miami (17)
North Carolina State (18)
Louisville (19)
Virginia Tech or PITT or Georgia Tech (20)
The SEC would also take ownership of the #1 viewership rated Basketball rivalry in all of college basketball (UNC vs Duke). Plus, the Kansas add (in a contiguous state btw) would make them the #1 conference in basketball, as well.
The coach responsible for these numbers just left though
It’s not unthinkable, but I am guessing that the SEC wants football brands with better attendance and a higher level of historical success than Duke’s.
Worth noting that Duke played FSU, ND, and Clemson last year, while UNC played only Clemson from that list.
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