UH got into the Big 12. It wasn’t like they were begging UH to join. Be happy where we are.
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They were fearing us getting in, because they knew what UH is capable of doing with greater resources.
do you say thins with a straight face?
UCLA is a mediocre Football brand and WHEN is the last time they won a Basketball Championship?
Which decade…lol?
The B1G is more about geographic dominance than brand…of their last SIX additions, only ONE is a top brand- USC.
Maryland- Not a big brand but it captured the MD/DC geographic region
Rutgers- Not a big brand but it captured the NY/NJ geographic region
USC- YES! A Big brand + it gets them in California
UCLA- Not a big brand but required to add USC.
Oregon- Not a huge brand but fills in their West Coast 4 -pack.
Washington- Not a huge brand but fills in their West Coast 4 -pack.
Now, who could #19-24 be?
If LAW’s prediction comes true.
#19, #20 & #21 would put them in Florida, North Carolina & Virginia.
That leaves 3 spots to get to 24 let’s look at the map and think about which big states are NOT in their footprint??
That would include Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Utah and Kansas/Missouri region.
For the B1G 10 = Geography > Big Brands
Just look at their selections!
You need to look at brand valuations.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/w436zp/wsj_2019_brand_value_avg_rank_by_conference/
Washington was #19, Oregon #21, USC #23, and UCLA #24.
In other words, the B1G took the PAC’s FOUR BIGGEST brands.
UH…by comparison…was ranked #72.
Only Cincy and SMU are smaller among P5 schools.
Do you truly believe that a conference like the B1G…which already has TOO MANY parasites…is going to add another one? We all agree that Illinois, ranked #49 is a pretty big parasite, right? Imagine what #72 would be.
If law’s prediction comes true, these four ACC schools: Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVa will go to the P2.
Either two will go to each P2, or all four to the SEC. ND will go to the B1G for sure.
This will create a B1G of 19-21 teams, and an SEC of 18-20 teams.
This 24 business…I don’t know where you get that from.
NO talking head is saying it. That is a 100% 1927ism. No one else imagines it.
And I still say that 4-6 ACC schools, after those blue bloods all depart, will go to the Big 12, knowing that a devalued ACC won’t get nearly the same money as the Big 12.
This will create a Big 12 of 20-22 members.
That’s it.
NO conference will have 24.
We’ve been through this before, so I don’t see why you don’t seem to “get it.”
I ask again…why do you keep bringing up this STUPID “24 team” business?
There simply ARE NOT …FOURTEEN value additive brands out there that would make sense for the P2 to add.
UH, of course, isn’t close to being one of those.
And no, geography is NOT bigger to the B1G than brand size.
Brand size is ALWAYS paramount.
YES…UH as a G5 brand!!!
As a P5 brand, they are poised to win a P4 conference in Basketball IN THEIR FIRST YEAR…think that helps their brand?
Think the NCAA Tourney headlines will help their brand?
Think the improved football performance will help the brand…possibly a Big 12 Championship and Playoff appearance?
Think the increased state funding AND Campus and Academics will help the Brand?
Think the NIL $$ and P4 revenue and new athletic facilities will help their brand?
Step out of your 2D line of thinking LAW…Think in 3D!
UH has a much bigger brand than you think…just give it 5-10 years and they should be the #3 Brand IN Texas which will make them a viable candidate IF/WHEN the B1G wants to expand into Texas.
Our brand size undoubtedly will improve in the Big 12.
But will it become large enough to be value additive to the P2?
No.
Or if it did…then it would be nothing short of a miracle.
Don’t put money on it.
Assuming, just for argument’s sake, that UH were to become the 3rd largest sports brand in the state (we’d have to pass up a few people, which won’t be easy, given our fan base), I must ask, has the B1G ever added a state’s THIRD most valuable brand?
Hint: No.
As for this IF/WHEN the B1G decides to expand into Texas, again, since you apparently weren’t listening the first time, the B1G will never decide to expand ANYWHERE unless said expansion were to bring in an ADDITIVE brand.
At this point…only UT and aTm would be additive brands in Texas. If the B1G can’t bring in one of them…then they won’t be expanding into this state.
then why did MLB expand into Texas in 1962…and into a state/city that is nowhere as powerful as today
MLB isn’t college football.
Please try not to compare college sports to pro sports. A pro sports model will never work in college football, for reasons that have already been explained to you ad nauseum.
College sports is all about BRAND SIZE…NOT new markets or new opportunities. It’s based on current brand valuation…NOT “growth” potential, which can never be predicted with any real certainty.
And while markets may have been decisive over a decade ago, they are NOT today, so don’t assume that just because we are located in a big city, that that will give UH any particular appeal to the P2.
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oh, hey. another thread of this. fun.
24 is an entirely arbitrary number that 1927 is pulling from his(?) butt. there’s not really any reason the b1g needs to go to 24, and even if they do there’s no real reason to believe that they’ll add UH, unless they want into tx at all costs because reasons.
law is 1000% convinced that the b1g will never ever ever do anything they’ve never done before just like how they were never going to add oregon or washington last year and they were never going to add a non-contiguous state the year before that. print it!!!
you’re welcome, i just covered 20,000 posts worth of back-and-forth for y’all.
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No, the MLB/NFL isn’t College Football but the geographic coverage the B1G is going after most definitely IS A SIMILAR MODEL!
No it’s not.
If that were the case, then they’d be expanding into Atlanta, Florida, and plenty of other markets that MLB already has.
That’s not their model.
It’s all about brand size Bro. Sorry if you don’t understand that.
Those four west coast brands they brought in were brought in for their brand sizes, and for no other reasons. Our brand size is simply MUCH smaller, and as such, of far less interest.
Both Washington and Oregon are AAU. Plus, Washington has a Natty and Oregon has played for two national titles in football in the last 15 years. Not to mention that Oregon’s MBB team made it to the final four in 2017 and won an MBB in 1939 (yes it was a long time ago but it still counts). Finally, they have Phil Knight.
…for now.
Ha ha. Yeah, the idea that Oregon is on its way out of the AAU has been around awhile. However, rumor has it that Mr. Knight and the state of Oregon are about to take care of that. They are building a massive R&D Complex/center on campus with money from his foundation. Supposedly he is going to endow it with like $1B.
If that does happen, it will be one of the largest in the world. Research problem solved.
Now, if only we could get someone in Texas to do that for UH.
Washington’s spot in the AAU is unassailable.
Admittedly, Oregon seems like a very marginal AAU member.
But EastCoastCoog’s latest buzz is interesting.
They are projected to expand into Florida (Florida State) and Georgia Tech is definitely in play but I would think UH + Texas would be the better selection than Georgia Tech + Georgia.
Colorado would get them in Denver.
Arizona would get them in Phoenix.
Utah would get them in Sal Lake City.
Kansas would get them a Blueblood basketball brand which you keep screaming is why UCLA is valuable.
They aren’t placing a team in ALL of the MLB/NFL spots…the point is they are going after BROAD geographic coverage in the biggest regions al la…MLB/NFL/NBA.
#19, #20, #21, #22, #23 & #24 are all going to be interesting picks!
Let’s see who they select and how the SEC counters!
This 24 team thing is a strange obsession of yours.
Has it not occurred to you that NO ONE ELSE OUT THERE is predicting such a thing?
Colorado, Arizona, and Utah aren’t additive brands. GaTech likely isn’t either.
Kansas’ crappy football brand has already been rejected.
Didn’t you just recently say that CO, AZ, and Utah would go to the SEC?
Please. Come on now.
No one except you imagines a 48 team P2.
No…I’m talking about ALL of the Blue bloods you keep saying that are going to leave the ACC once they blow up and end up in a P2:
North Carolina
Virginia
Florida State
Clemson
Virginia Tech
North Carolina State
Louisville
PITT
Georgia Tech
Miami
I’m essentially going along with your theory.
I have NO IDEA which 6 the B1G will take and which 8 the SEC will take to get to 2 x 24.
Only speculation based on existing members and what makes sense from a geographic expansion standpoint but ALL non P2 Power schools are on the board.