100% the TYPE of students we accept

Below is a list of all of the P5 Universities and their current enrollment. Public Schools are in Bold.

Look at where we fit and look at the schools around our enrollment size.

Notice how they do a significant better job of supporting their football program, and with much larger stadiums.

If we just asked of our alums, and current students, to attend ONE game a season, we’d sell out every game!

In my opinion, UCF IS attracting the type of students we should be targeting and I expect them to really make the most of their P5 designation now.

Texas A&M- 73,284

Central Florida- 71,948

Arizona State- 71,946

Ohio State- 61,369

Florida- 60,613

Illinois- 52,331

Minnesota- 52,017

Texas- 51,991

Rutgers- 50,411

Michigan State- 49,695

Southern California- 49,500

Wisconsin- 47,935

Michigan- 47,907

Houston- 47,090

Cincinnati- 46,710

Washington- 46,081

Pennsylvania State- 45,901

UCLA- 45,900

Purdue- 45,869

Florida State University- 45,493

Arizona- 43,625

Indiana- 42,552

California- 41,910

Maryland- 40,709

Texas Tech 40,666

Georgia- 40,118

Alabama- 38,320

Georgia Institute of Technology- 36, 489

Virginia Tech- 36,383

North Carolina State- 36, 304

LSU- 35,914

South Carolina- 35,388

BYU- 34,737

Colorado- 33,246

Utah- 33,000

Oregon State- 31,904

Tennessee- 31,701

Kentucky- 31,536

Auburn- 31,526

Oklahoma- 31,255

Missouri- 31,121

Arkansas- 30,936

Iowa State- 30,708

Washington State- 30,614

Iowa- 30,448

North Carolina- 30,101

Pittsburgh- 28,391

Kansas- 27,685

Clemson - 25,822

West Virginia- 25,474

Nebraska- 25,057

Virginia- 25,018

Oklahoma State- 24,660

Mississippi State- 23,086

Oregon- 22,980

Northwestern- 22,316

Mississippi- 21,856

Louisville- 21,430

Syracuse- 21,322

Baylor- 20,626

Kansas State- 20,229

Miami- 17,811

Duke University- 16,780

Stanford- 16,336

Boston College- 14,890

Vanderbilt- 13,796

Notre Dame- 12,681

Texas Christian- 11,938

Wake Forest- 8,789

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So in other words, our athletic department is doing a terrible job getting our alumni involved.

How does TCU always fill up their 47,000 seat stadium with an enrollment of 12,000?

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Our alumni suck. Hopefully our current students are better at supporting the athletic department.

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We’ve had enough people attend our University to make us top 25% in attendance.

Obviously, we are no where close to that.There has to be a reason our students and alums avoid our football games…and I’m not even talking about the t-shirt fans, just the ones who actually attended the University of Houston. We only have a loyal base of about 15k.

Maybe we should call our alums and invite them…something?

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UCF and Cincinnati have already gotten their attendance up to P5 levels. When they play each other you could easily mistake the crowd for a Big10 or ACC crowd. TCU has a stadium thats the same size as our and they fill it for every home game with less students. Something needs to change between now and next season.

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Only if the B1G or ACC team is Northwestern or Duke. Their stadium capacities, like ours, are close to (if not actually) the bottom of the P5, even if they do a good job of filling them.

Good luck it’s been like this for the 45 years I have been following the Coogs, SWC and all

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Yeah I was speaking loosely. They would definitely be in the smaller catagory but it is still very impressive. Our crowds have only only come close for the Louisville home game and the 2015 Memphis game.

I’m not very optimistic myself judging by our fair weather fan base. It’s insane that our student body and local alumni base is so large but we average 25k fans. There needs to be a concrete plan put in place if this is ever going to change.

We are a huge public school in a large state.
Most of the schools, with our metrics (or even half), seem to fill their stadiums.

The “excuses” have become our culture.

What is is …the students we accept, our city “name”, zero connection during and after attending, what?

Historically, UH has had lackluster alumni support at athletic events. That will take a generation to change. In the interim, many of us would like to see a focused marketing effort to attract the casual fan from the 4M+ Houston metropolitan area population. That takes smart marketing and making the casual fan want to come back. Tailgating, concessions and winning are all part of the gameday experience and are correctly being brought up, IMO.

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TCU has a long history of good football and is the team in Ft. Worth, their citizens have supported it much better than Houston’s citizens. Also, TCU is not in a location that has a rough reputation as is UH. So many people in Houston area of the opinion that their lives are in danger if they go into the 3rd Ward.

We used to have phone banks to do exactly that, I manned the phones many times, but it was also to push season tickets and ask for donations. So many alumni I have talked to alumni who said they only hear from UH when asking for donations.

It’s been like this since I was a student in 1976-80, when we won 3 SWC championship out of 4 years. If we weren’t playing UT, Arkansas, or aTm we drew pitiful crowds in the dome where there were no weather excuses.

I think that’s our best bet. As a young person living in the inner loop if we can attract the young people that move here to home games that will help a lot. The GameDay and tailgating experience is pretty lame right now but if we can become a T-shirt fan school and get young alumni to come to our games we should at least be in the mid 30s for home games.

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Why doesn’t Rice have better attendance then? It’s almost exactly like TCU. Its set in one of the ritziest locations in Houston.

Buzz doesn’t exist towards the alums, let alone on campus. A bunch of students will attend one game out of interest. My dad went to UMich, his dad went to UMich. My dad spoke of how he was never interested in Football at all, but loved the atmosphere and buzz that existed around the program. He probably went to one game his entire academic career there (middle eastern families didn’t know much about American Football). He was desparately trying to go to the Ohio State game last year when he was out in Ann Arbor. He always asks how UMich is doing or who they’re playing. He’s showing his interest because of the Buzz. Heck, for the first time he told me about how he remembers when Lyin Tom Herman was like “I’m not going anywhere” and the eye twitch and then announcing his move to UT the next day. I’m like “you never pay attention to this you should tell me what you see next time!”

That’s all it takes. Buzz.

That picture that was posted of CV3 officers, Ambassadors, and Coach Sampson. Sampson literally said “We wanted people to come, we wanted the students to come. But it was obvious the administration doesn’t care, so we were going to do something about it”.

He said that wherever Houston goes, it’s a sellout, but never is one here. He echoed my comments I made on this board. An announced sellout is NOT an attendance sellout.

The gameday experience (Football), and tailgating experience, is absolutely pathetic. This is after visiting a few other college towns, and those schools are G5s. My short time at UT was during COVID, but they even put effort into getting the crowd and student section riled up.

I got emails these past two days from UTSA, UT, Rice, and USAFA for tickets and buzz to their games this weekend. Nothing from UH. All UH sends is a “HELP HOUSTON R12E”. Asking for money. That’s it. Nothing for next week, nothing to build it up, no “chalk talk” or “keys to the game” or whatever. It does not exist. We tried to say “We need buzz on campus. Students aren’t going to circle XYZ games or check the calendar unless they’re sports fanatics.” One response we got was “if they cared, then they would come and look the dates up”. Our response was “Make a connection. Give them a sheet of paper or something. Let them know it’s happening, and not just by a poster stuck in the ground. Make it personal”.

Basketball sold out a midweek game against Tulane last semester for this very reason. We took a bunch of flyers from athletics and put them under the doors of freshman and sophomore dorms. That student section was a sellout and rocking. A midweek game. Against Tulane.

All you have to do is convert a few students by making it PERSONAL. That’s how you get them out there. That’s how you get them involved. “Shove it in their face” and they will come.

It’s not an Athletics problem. It’s not an admissions problem. It’s a UH problem. They’ll pour money to make athletics attractive, but not follow through with caring about what happens on campus at all. UH doesn’t keep the “Commuter School” name beacuse of the fact that people drive here, just like they do at TAMU and UT, but literally because UH doesn’t put much effort into encouraging, fostering, creating a culture ON CAMPUS to just mess around. UHPD will catch you doing something stupid and just be like ‘don’t get hurt or get us called on you’ and keep going. They get it. It doesn’t even have to be athletics. Just let people throw a frisbee in the fountains or something.

You can accept 100% commuters, 100% international students, literally anyone. You don’t have to evaluate how much someone likes sports for them to come here, because the buzz on campus, the existence of good programs, the ‘fun factor’ (which is the most important part for me) is what will get people to apply and come here. International students all have an interest in a sport. Every graduate student on the Birmingham Trip was from out of the US except for myself.

Find alums who didn’t care about this place to take a visit and bring their kids. My uncle never cared about anything here but wants his daughter to go just cause it’s close to home. She didn’t want to go at first, so I said bring her to campus and after that, she wanted to go to a game. After the UVA game? She was asking when she can apply. (She still wants UT after a few years but I think she’ll remain here after the flip happens).

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our marketing team sucks. the people that work there need to be let go and start over, it’s been this way since I was a student in 2013.

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Assuming this is a serious question, the last time Rice has consistently good and competitive teams was oh say, 1961? There have been some good seasons here and there, but they do not have high expectations for football. That is a lot of history to overcome. That, and the small enrollment and small alumni base.

The topic of why we don’t have good fan support is way more complicated than “100% b/c of the type of student we accept”. But you know that.

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What Red said. Our location is not ideal and there are lots of would be fans who will not drive to UH.
To get the bulk of fans to a game at one time it needs to be a big game and we probably need to be ranked.
If I wanted to give my tickets away to Saturdays game it is Extremely doubtful I could find any takers.
I might be able to get someone in south Brazoria County to attend a basketball game.
See the difference?
Quit blaming it on marketing. Most people in the Houston area could care less about UH teams.
I have not seen anything here any different than it was 55 years ago.
I have had people tell me that it is because UH is “too” diverse and whites are now out numbered.
Well when I went to school. In the last ‘60s we were a vast majority white and our games were played at the Astrodome and were a national powerhouse for years. Yet we still struggled with attendance.
So come up with something better than marketing or telling us how many students and alums we have.
Nothing has changed

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