Again, it’s early. No one is arguing this.
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Yeah but not big hits like that and plus some people can shop old parts or fix themselves. A battery would be new with no way to get that cost down.
The cost will come down over time. I think everyone gets that it’s still too expensive for everyone today. If it weren’t, you’d see far more of them.
The gov would have to subsidize battery replacement bc poor people can’t afford it. Prices could go down but even at 7k it’s too much. The gov or car makers will have to force us and reduce prices, otherwise poor people and middle class can’t go that route.
Give it time. It will get down more than that. We are early in the innovation of this one.
Also the maintenance will be far cheaper and you won’t pay for gasoline. That has to be accounted for. There will be financing/insurance/warranty opportunities to pay for batteries over time to prevent one time hits (even as the costs go down). There will be companies lined up to provide those kinds of services.
I’m all for it, but is the tech there? Was it abandoned 2 decades ago?
Offset against car payments. My 10 year old Jeep has its issues, but it’s still WAY cheaper than the payment when it was new, and I take care of it, so it still looks “almost” new.
Nope our rail road commissioner blocked nuclear, so that his buddies in gas could make a fortune off of high electricity prices.
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And gas cars need electricity to be produced. Wow!
Battery replacement to me is the last roadblock for mass adoption IMHO. It’s like replacing the engine and transmission at once cost wise…but its also something that’s virtually guaranteed to have to be done to keep the car going.
Early adopters don’t care about that. They’re going to get a new one in 2-4 years anyway.
More cautious buyers, which includes me, want to see a more reasonable path than what exists today. It may take a decade or more but I can imagine one day there will be a robust secondary battery market for cars. Dealers will have sections of their shops that specialize in it. Hell, they’ll be a thread on this board about how in Europe they’re debating standardizing all batteries across manufacturers to make change outs cheaper and easier.
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True , no gas but how does it cost to charge up via electric? GM said they are going all electric. Prob we get forced and all the gov has to do is to start not allowing gas cars to be registered after a while making them illegal.
True, that’s the issue. With gas, rarely does a transmission or engine fail.
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I wouldn’t say “rarely”…I just had an engine blow in a 2008. LOL…ouch. This is anecdotal evidence though.
I do expect battery replacements to be much, much more common than engine/transmission. As I said they’re virtually guaranteed to need to be done.
This presents a large problem for consumers and adoption.
There’s a lot of savings in electric vs gas while driving…but if all that savings is lost down the road because of a battery issue. It would bother me as a consumer.
Would it bother everyone? Not likely…people toss away cell phones and basically have stopped complaining about it.
Why? The new one is better and many want it more than they want to bother with replacing the battery. For those that want to keep it there are small shops everywhere that will replace the for half the cost, or less, than what the manufacturer will do it for.
This I suspect is what will happen with EVs.
Personally, I’ll wait until that market has developed before putting my money where my mouth is.
That’s the thing, I think electric cars are time bomb waiting for the 10k battery to be replaced. Gas cars are cheaper to keep going longterm. My dad’s neighbor sued Tesla bc his battery failed after the warranty and won the lawsuit. Poor people are going to struggle like middle class unless they address the cost of that battery going out. If I went to start my car and it didn’t, I know the cost would be for a battery, starter or alternator then I know it’s $100 to $500. If I go start my electric one after the warranty then I’m screwed , is it 10 k now?
Its a serious issue that has to be addressed. EV’s are perfect for upper income and people that only keep cars 1-4 years.
Everyone else…needs to research hard before they buy.
I like to keep my vehicles 10 years. Closing in on 3rd in a row. Where would my battery be in year 9? Side bets…I’m taking the under.
If I could see a path to simple replacement (like I saw a video of an Escape hybrid battery replacement when I was contemplating buying a used one)…I’d be all in. Until then, I’ll stay on the sideline.
All this said and going back to the original thread title…until we solve this problem Saudi Arabia will always be able to screw with the US, our energy costs and industry.
Until gas becomes more and more expensive just because we will have less of it as a commodity. Is that 20 years away? 50? 
I really think there will be warranties/insurance/financing available that will make the one time costs not a big deal. I also don’t expect the cost to stay as high as it is.
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I’ll be dead by that time.
Just wonder what the price kwh gets to.
