Iran attacks Israel

They aren’t the voices in your head? Lol

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Extraordinary claims require proof.

Please show us who was advocating for a nuclear Iran.

Either you are hearing voices in your head or you failed to comprehend the arguments
for how best to throttle Iran’s military nuclear ambitions.

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Haha, what a long and storied history. Thanks for the info.

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Before the revolution, they really were striving for about a century. It’s just not as easy in the Mid East.

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There is much more history there. If truly interested here is good summary.

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See I’ve spoken with a number of Iranian-Americans that dispute that account.

They all say that the overthrow of Mossadegh was a popular uprising. Was the CIA involved? Sure. But their role wasn’t nearly what some have made it out to be.

It was mostly Iranians not liking the guy and wanting him out.

I knew an Iranian guy that worked as an interpreter for the US in Afghanistan during my second tour there, and he told me he walked out of the movie “Argo” because that movie began with an opening monologue repeating the narrative that the US overthrew Mossadegh and brought about/caused the effed up situation in Iran. He then repeated the version I told you about above.

Most likely the truth is somewhere in the middle

I somehow doubt he would have been overthrown if there weren’t a lot of people that wanted him gone.

It’s not as though we had forces on ground pushing him out.

As I said, Mossadegh isn’t viewed as a hero in Iran today. At the time, two pretty big factions: the Ayatollahs, and the military, were both against him, as were many Iranians whose livelihoods were threatened by the economic crisis that developed in Iran at the time.

Here’s an even more extreme anti-Mossadegh perspective on what happened.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/cia-coup-in-iran-that-never-was-mossadegh

I don’t go as far as this, but the “Blame America First” crap we often hear on this is way off base.

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lol

Now we’re relying on word of mouth?

Just gonna leave that there.

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I rely on BOTH government docs AND the personal experiences of others in this matter….NOT merely word of mouth. At least get that much right.

On this matter, there are both government docs detailing the CIA’s involvement (which basically consisted of financial incentives to the opposition), as well as plenty of Iranians to testify as to what attitudes on the ground from those opposed to Mossadegh were at the time.

See by contrast, in the case of the conspiracy theory that you promoted here on another string, there’s nothing comparable in the government documentation.

In fact…the OPPOSITE is true.

The best government docs out there on that theory are Congress’ findings on the matter, which followed a very lengthy and thorough bipartisan investigation led by DEMOCRATS in BOTH Houses.

Unlike with this matter, where the docs support an allegation of CIA involvement, those documents, by contrast, say that your allegation is bunk.

See the difference?

I’ll leave it at that.

Both matters are settled. One is bunk (yours), the other (the CIA’s involvement with Mossadegh) is not, ……but the CIA’s involvement isn’t close to what Blame America First types allege about it. As I said, Mossadegh couldn’t have been forced from power….unless there were A LOT of locals that wanted him out.

Are you saying that your own party is wrong about your little theory? They are the ones that investigated it and found nothing after all.

Ok. Whatever.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Complete sentence

Already told you I don’t have a party, several times (Indepent-registered. Can’t vote in primaries), but much like other things, you only hear what you want to hear.

I won’t dignify anything else with a response. Already litigated.

Your party needs to be worried about the longshoremen strike. I am sorry your independent party needs to be worried about the longshoreman strike.

Really bad timing. Grocery prices will go up right before the election.

Indeed. Already litigated.

And both Houses of a Dem Controlled Congress ruled in MY favor.

Ya know, on that point.

When I was stationed at the Port of Beaumont, TX, we used to hire tons of International Longshoreman’s Association (ILA) dock workers for each vessel we loaded and unloaded with military cargo bound for Iraq and Afghanistan and back.

Good union.

Apparently they now make less than their West Coast counterparts, who are represented by a different union.

We’ll see where their wages end up.

@HCNY any thoughts on this as a union man?

Biden/Harris pandered to big labor and they repaid them with a strike at the exact moment that it will filter through to grocery stores right before the election.

As we saw with the teamsters, Union laborers aren’t such a reliable Dem block any longer.

Don’t have a party, genius. But you’re a troll, so you know that.

No one ruled in your favor, whatsoever. You had. nothing to do with it.