Houston vs Arizona the Matchup

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Don’t know if this pic will work on here. If it does you can see the body lean at the moment of contact (no hip by the way) that would make a football coach proud.

Seems like just yesterday we got a compliment for the board being sane :joy:

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the contact was the hip… here is a video i found on twitter

https://twitter.com/the__johnw/status/1505763980203237378

“tackle” is way to strong of a description for this, it was a hip check, with some acting for a foul (hip check wasnt that strong)… on a regular season game, early in the 1st half this is probably a foul…but like i noted no ref wants a lite hip check on their whistle to decide a sweet 16

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To me the bigger issue is the overall amount of contact they allow in college ball. They need to clean it up some.

Careful Jcoop… that would take away what makes college ball “better than the NBA” for some. :smirk: :rofl:

Whether they, the referees, should have called it or not is subject to debate. I’m sure they wanted it settled on the court. I can understand that. But I’m sure they breathed a big sigh of relief that their non-call did not directly lead to a game winning basket.

If he took the Shead approach with the tear drop shot, they would have won in regulation.

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Enough of the “titgate”. CKSs coaching abilities and our players talents and physical assets will be seriously challenged by the Wildcats. We will prove we are up to the challenge. Just come on Thursday night…as fast as you can get here.

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When watching the replay you can clearly see the hips move back and to the left…back and to the left… back and to the left.

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Thanks for stopping by and engaging. I truly appreciate the level-headed approach you’ve brought. If I take off my Coog-colored glasses and assume both teams play their games, Arizona probably wins this one based on talent and athleticism. But as we all know, anything can happen on any given night. What we Coog fans know is UH never, ever gives up. They will scrap and claw to the very end, which is why this team is so fun to watch. Tomorrow night should be a barn burner, but whatever happens, an incredibly good team will be moving on to the Elite 8.

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Every team left got here with a little bit of luck and a lot of good play. Every game is a pick em’ to me.

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My last comments on the end of TCU/Arizona game play is this:

The referees allowed a very physical game. They allowed a lot of contact all night. To call that a foul with 3 seconds left in a tied game would have been a radical aboutface on what they allowed up to that point.

Further, if you’re looking for blame, how about to the coach who didn’t anticipate a trap. Or to the player who tried to escape a sideline trap 40 feet from hoop by blindly dribbling backwards into the outstretched arms of a secondary defender now creating a mid-court trap.

By the way, according to a 2018 NCAA Officials memorandum, legal defensive positioning is defined as two feet on the ground, facing the offensive player. Lateral movement in any direction is allowed, and incidental contact is permitted on the conditions of: 1. Defense does not arm bar, 2. Defense does not hand check, or 3. Offense initiates contact.

In that clip Terry is moving laterally in a diagonal direction, hands up, and it is the ballhandler, desperate for space, desperate for timing, who dribbles into Terry after realizing he was at mid court. Terry is allowed to occupy that space if he meets the conditions above. He did. Ballhandler then launches himself backward to draw a foul that the refs didn’t buy.

If you think bailing out a trapped ballhandler - one who chose to become trapped through 2 separate dribble choices - who is 45 feet from the hoop, in the final 3 seconds of a tied elimination game, on offensive-initiated incidental contact is basketball, well, I don’t know what to say.

The blame lies with the ballhandler and the coach for the play.

Three refs all disregarded the whistle for both the foul and the over and back.

This isn’t a case of one ref deciding a game with a foul call.

All three refs allowed Overtime to determine the winner.

That’s how it should be. Bail out fouls already ruin basketball enough.

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Actually, the clock stopped momentarily at 2.2 seconds for an indeterminate amount of time. Very likely the time was off by a half second or longer. So, I think any shot other than a running 3 probably get overturned and waived off because according to the NCAA, Game Clock is not dictated by Display clock.

Colorado’s Sabatino Chen buzzer beater is proof of that when in 2013 the refs concluded the display clock didn’t jive with game clock so what appeared to be an in the knick of time game-winner was waived off because of the slight discrepancy.

Hilariously that game involves Arizona, tied game, and overtime as well!

he was hip checked, your hips shouldnt be touching if you are legal guarding position … it was bad defense and NOT incidental contact

I agree with your 1st point, that the refs had let a physical game, there was clearly an emphasize to let it be played on the court… in all ncaa games there is an emphasis to reduce whistles, why lampkin wasnt called for a tech on holding the rim… or after the hip check why no backcourt was called

but everything you wrote after that is wrong, and posturing to what Arizona fans want o believe, their was contact intiated by the defense, that is a foul if that happens in a non ncaa game with 8 monutes left in the game

I don’t believe so, as that level of contact happens every play. And, it was the offensive player who dribbled into Terry.

That could have been a call but it looked like he flopped too much.

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Looking forward to a great game on Thursday night- the place should be jumping!

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what are you watching terry 100% initiates the contact… there is literally no recoil on terry, which would happen if miles initiated the contact. the contact by terry isnt a debate by anyone who isnt biased… the debate is how much contact warrants a foul… miles was trying to turn the corner and terry hip checked him back

and again you cant legally guard from your side…

He absolutely launched himself off the contact because it was his only real recourse due to time and location.

Anyone saying he didn’t exaggerate the contact is not someone I would trust with a whistle. Flops are a plague.

That’s a really interesting and perhaps pivital stat. Huge veteran factor.

@JMarkJohns what’s the average age of the Arizona rotational players in comparison?

I don’t have exact ages. But several years younger. Kier is only senior and is 23. Others are mostly sophomore age. I believe Mathurin and Kriisa are young for their age to boot. Pretty sure both is 19 in their second season. Koloko is maybe the only other player north of 20 and is 21. Rest of rotation all figure to be 19-20.

So average age of entire rotation maybe 20 total with Kier and Koloko.