@uhlaw97 bold above
Thereâs a lot of truth there.
UNC may bring about another realignment crisis for the ACC. It may not be just Clemson and FSU.
ALSOâŠI agree with Drake Toll on Wazzu.
The fact that one of the smallest and perennially weakest football brands in the entire P4 was able to poach Wazzuâs coach tells you that a) the new PAC Light will definitely NOT be anything close to a power conference AND b) that their prospects of using the PAC Light as a springboard to either the Big 12 or ACC seem remote.
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You are INcorrect on one point though.
While UNC is a state flagship, it is NOT a land grant public.
In North Carolina, it is NC STATE and North Carolina A&T that are land grant publics.
Gotcha
Didnât know that regarding UNC
regardless, I think it is safe to assume that UNC is the most valuable university in North Carolina (more than Duke and Davidson) therefore are treated as such
nobody cares who IS and who ISNâT a land grant school.
Just be more relevant that the school created by Federal Funds, post Civil War.
We, the University of Houston, are more powerful than most of the âLand- Grantâ schools in the depressed Southern States
NIU to the MWC for football only is almost a done deal
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Itâs a fact that in many (if not MOST states), the land grant university is the âflagshipâ public school, and in states where it isnât, a land grant is often a co-flagship, or, in the case of states like North Carolina, the public school considered best in engineering (please note that UNC, great AAU school that it is, does not offer Engineering or Architecture, making NC State the âgo toâ school in that state for those subjects).
So based on that, yeah, being a land grant matters, and a lot of people care about that status.
UNC lacks an engineering program (outside of biomedical) because they are essentially a public ivy.
Most of the ivy league schools donât have great engineering programs because engineering is sort of a working-class major compared to liberal arts, finance and other programs that typically require post-graduate accreditation
MmmmmmmâŠ
Not so fast.
Harvard, Penn, Cornell, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, Brown, and Columbia, that is to say, the ENTIRE IVY LEAGUE offers undergraduate engineering.
Granted, it is only at Princeton, Cornell, and Penn that I would say it is considered among the schoolâs biggest and best undergrad programs, but they all offer it.
At many Ivy League schools, the liberal arts are considered the âcoolerâ thing to study, even though Engineering majors are available.
Thatâs different from UNC, which offers NO Engineering programs.
Anyway, Iâll shoot you a true story about a student that attended Yale, and then another school for engineering. Check your PM in a few minutes.
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Also, for what itâs worth, many prestigious schools donât offer Finance or any other Business degree at the undergrad level; if you want a business degree, youâre expected to do Economics and then get an MBA.
That much is true.
Among Ivy League schools, only Penn and Cornell have AACSB accredited undergraduate business programs.
Land Grant Universities NOT in the P4:
Alabama A&M
Tuskegee University
University of Alaska at Fairbanks
University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff (Formerly Arkansas Agricultural, Mechanical and Normal)
Colorado State (note: University of Colorado is NOT Land Grant)
University of Connecticut
University of Delaware
Delaware State
Florida A&M
Fort Valley State
University of Hawaii
Kentucky State
Southern University and A&M
University of Maine
University of Maryland Eastern Shore
University of Massachusetts Amherst
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Alcorn State
Montana State
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
University of Nevada, Reno
University of New Hampshire
Cornell University
North Carolina A&T State
North Dakota State
Central State University
Oregon State
University of Rhode Island
South Carolina State
Tennessee State
Prairie View A&M
Utah State
University of Vermont
Virginia State
Washington State
WHO CARES!
I donât know this for sure, but since I started attending Cornell grad school for Engineering, Iâve been told often how itâs the best in engineering out of all the Ivyâs.
Not sure if itâs true or just collegiate pride, but I can definitely say itâs rigorous.
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Iâd have to check the USNEWS rankings, but Cornell, Penn, and Princeton all have elite engineering programs.
If youâll look at public universities that are AAU, I suspect youâll find that a large number are land grants.
Many B1G schools are land grants, and thatâs the conference you want UH to ultimately land in.
So yeah, people care for those reasons, and others.
Actually, just checked usnews.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings
Cornell, at #12 nationally, is the best Ivy League school for graduate engineering.
KUDOS BRO!!!
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nopeâŠlook at the listâŠMany of the Flagships are NOT Land Grant
Alabama- No
Arizona State- No
Colorado- No
UCLA- No
Florida State- No
Indiana- No
Iowa- No
Kansas- No
Michigan- No
Ole Miss- No
North Carolina- No
Oklahoma- No
Oregon- No
South Carolina- No
Texas- No
Utah- No
Washington- No
Virginia- No
I think we can stop mentioning âLand Grant Universitiesâ as being superior
No one said that.
We said that a) many public flagships are land grands, others are co-flagships, b) many AAU publics are land grants, and c) Iâd have to check, but I believe that 10 of 18 B1G schools are land grants, and thatâs where you imagine UH being.
Those are facts, and thatâs why people care.
Arizona St. is not a Flagship.
That would be The U. of Arizona.
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YesâŠHouston is a large public University, in a large metro, like most of the B1G schools