Big 12 fans gonna be hella confused when Houston and cinci are 1 and 2
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If you guys get consistent high level PG play I can see you being a top 15 team easily. Jizzle has to take the step of being consistent for most of the game now. Similar to how Shead had to keep taking those steps.
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No doubt the Big 12 is loaded. I just hope after all the fist fights we are healthy and have a shot at going to San Antonio
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Disagree. Would it be the best lineup? No but they wouldn’t get killed
Skillings and Mitchell are great rebounders. Skillings especially for his position. Mitchell is an excellent defensive rebounder.
I don’t think it would terrible.
But reality is… Wes is a 2 big kinda guy for some reason so it will be Jizzle, Simas, skillings, Mitchell & Aziz.
And that lineup is a dominate rebounding team.
I just don’t like having one shooter start.
In terms of Mitchell not being strong… just wait til Mike Rehfeldt gets his hands on him.
Mitchell has a defensive rebounding rate of 22.5 which was the best on that Texas team by a good margin. Does he offensive rebound… no. But I also didn’t watch Texas enough to know if that’s part of their game plan like it is UC.
I just don’t love Aziz. He is a one trick pony on Defense. He blocks shots and guys like Hickman could 2 bucks right over him in their matchup. He offers zero on offense. But he & Mitchell have pretty damn near identical rebounding numbers
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I think the offensive trajectory of Jizzle James is 2x that of Jamal Shead. I don’t think offense when I think I him. But he’s a dog on defense and a leader.
Jizzle was pretty consistent offensively. His major issues was defense. He ball watches too much sometimes and loses his guy but I do think he can be a good defender.
Jizzle could have lead the team in scoring if given the minutes but dayday was a dog on defense so Wes favored him.
When Jizzle was handed the keys the last 2 games he put up 21 and 25 point performances. He’s a gamer like shead tho and comes alive in big moments. Now that he got his confidence and his feet wet, I think he can really dominate. He maybe the only Alpha scorer on the team
Scoring is one thing but running the team is another. I don’t know about 2X Shead but he is a more natural scorer.
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You need a box out threat… the box out normally Isn’t the one getting the rebounds. Skilling rebounding numbers are from having played with multiple 7fters at once
Nate Hinton was a dominant level rebounder at the wing… I wouldn’t want him at the 4 or 5…
Houston killed Texas on the boards, with Texas playing Mitchell and another big (Disu) (context this was one of the worst rebounding Houston teams under Sampson- numerous team +15’d us on the boards )
Context aside the fact you don’t think a team that is playing 6’8 205 at the center and 6’6 215 at the 4 won’t get absolutely destroyed on the boards is odd.
Side note: wasn’t day day the starter when last healthy? Most Cincy blog/ reporter people are projecting day day to start
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I get trying to put more shooters in the line up, if it’s that much of an issue … I think Mitchell not Aziz is at risk…
Plus even if they don’t start you have shooters on the bench, if it’s cold shooting you rotate Fredricks or Hickman in…you don’t need to start them… similar Kansas last year
Plus the hope is that day and day and jizzle improve as shooters (similar to lipsey at Iowa state who was a poor shooter year 1 but decent this past season year 2)
And offense is more than scoring… Jamal carried our offense to elite 8 as a true sophomore, when sasser and mark went down… his assist to turnover turned over numbers were crazy… with no healthy ball handlers that year, he dictated everything … jizzle playmaking isn’t showing to be anywhere near to shead’s as of today
But if you narrow it down from “offense” to “scorer” yes jizzle obviously has a higher “potential” as a scorer
I dont get the comment about consistency on offense, he had a great run in the NIT but it was just 2 games, against NIT teams, where he wasn’t circled on the scouting report becuase prior to that he was a backup … this is further emphasized since he isn’t a shooter and that is something to easily gameplan for when it’s prioritized … his season wide percentages also aren’t efficient… I see jizzle opposite to you in that I thought he showed great defense for a freshmen (who occasional make lapses) made a ton of crucial defensive plays… it’s offensive consistency that needs to improve …
him and skillings (and day day), atleast 1 has to improve as shooters for Cincy to take that next step
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sure I just mean if you compare Freshman year Capability, shead was pretty rough offensively.
105 offensive rating to Sheads very poor 93.9
28% from 3 to sheads 14%
very similar assist rates for both BUT Shead had a 2x higher TO Rate.
I love Jamal Shead. But I feel Houston was the spot for him to develop. IM not sure he is a POY candidate if he developed at many other Programs aside from Houston. And to me that’s a huge huge compliment to the Houston Staff.
Whereas I think JIzzle is more of a natural star who needs trained to be better on defense and how to lead his team.
It’s why if Jizzle played at Houston, I think He’d hit his potential much faster than Shead did.
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That’s fair. Jizzle definitely fits the mold of a Sampson guard. But I’m glad Cincy held on to him. His dad talks with Kelvin a lot. I’m sure Kelvin told his dad to stay the course with Wes.
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I’m hoping for your sake Jizzle stays at least 3 years and you get to see all of his development. He is ahead of freshman Shead offensively for sure. He has the tools to be 1st team all conference.
Shead, by the end of his Jr year could read the floor on both ends at an elite level, which separated him.
I seriously doubt that Dayday starts. People project him to start because Wes Trusted his defense. But Dayday coming off an Injury is going to give Jizzle the opportunity he needs to be the starting PG… And considering MANY team offered Jizzle the bag and he chose to stay, leads me to think that Jizzle gets the nod. BUT who starts wont matter a ton as I think they will play together sometimes, and both could played 25+ min each.
As for Houston Killing Texas on the boards, to me that’s just because of effort and what the coaches demand from its players. Wes will demand rebounding from his bigs. Mitchell didn’t accidentally grab 8 rebounds a game. And Wes will make him Box out, so if he’s grabbing 8 boards with no effort and no box then imagine if Wes Demands that from him.
As for the height factor, it would be 6’1, 6’3. 6’6, 6’8, 6’8… Houston has won a lot of games by focusing on the offensive glass & playing great defense with guys who are 6’7 and 6’8 at the 4… I mean… Isn’t that going to be Houston too? do they have a. 6’10 player?
I dont believe you need to be 6’10 or over to be a great rebounder. My favorite rebounders at UC were Gary Clark, Tre Scott, Justin Jackson, etc… 6’8 and athletic is the idea size for me. Im over the 7 footer experiment at UC…
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Lot of folks on this board still believe we need 6’10+ bigs so I think it’s a perception thing. I think Mitchell was a victim of Beard losing his job and playing for Terry 1.5 yrs. If he got the proper development he wouldn’t be in college still imo.
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ALOT of teams wanted Jizzle. And big NIL offers too. I believe it was even hinted that Houston was one of them and fans were a little antsy because Jizzle had followed a bunch of guys on the Houston team.
The Houston stuff was just speculation based on how highly Sampson had talked about JJ in a couple press conferences plus he seems like a guy who’d thrive under CKS.
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sheads assist per 40numbers on his freshmen year were way higher 6.3 vs 4.5…shead had higher TOs becuase he was passing more (more attempted passes normally means more turnovers), their assist to turnover rate were identical …objectively shead was always a better passer than jizzle … without adding the context that shead was just playing garbage time minutes in blowouts with deep bench players (cause our final 4 team was deep in guards) …shead improved freshmen to soph year no doubt, but it wasnt a “magical” improvement in 3 months, had shead been given regular pt as a fresh to adjust he would have shown some of his soph level aptitude (THAT CARRIED A INJURED TEAM TO THE ELITE 8)…it was a d2 team but shead did nearly have a quadruple double in his sole game with starter minutes (20pts, 11ast, 8stls, 9 rbs)
i agree with the POY comment, because that normally goes to offensive player, but jamal was touted for defense and passing… he was naturally going to be a DPOY candidate on his 4th year regardless of the school
Shead was always known for defense, here is a 20second clips of him strapping up 4 different 5stars (2 now in the NBA) from his aau days in 1 game
i 100% agree wit the star comment because offense normally makes stars, i do think jizzle has a way higher ceiling a “scorer”… but talking full offensive game, which goes beyond scoring… shead has always been a better passer/playmaker, its not particularly close…had jizzle played on our final 4 team, he wouldnt have gotten PT , and his freshmen stats would have been skewed too…
TL;dr i don’t get how you call a pg who lead a team to an Elite 8 as a true sophomore some sort of slow development
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“MANY team offered Jizzle the bag and he chose to stay, leads me to think that Jizzle gets the nod.”
that same point could have been made about day day. you can almost guarantee he was contacted too
and your counter of saying “well do you think Houston…” for the rebounding is exactly my point. We’ll start with the obvious Houston’s 6’8 isnt your 6’8… Francis has a 7’5 wing span, his standing reach is taller than some 7footers and our 4 and 5 are both 235lbs+ (not 205 and 215)
…AND with that said almost every houston fans probably acknowledges we arent going to be the best defensive rebounding team… certain teams murdered us on the boards, and that probably wont change to dramatically …our offensive rebounding probably improve though…we do have a 6’10 player that will enter the rotation but he will be 225lbs so not that major of boxout threat…
im not saying your issue is height… im saying its a combination of height and weight… if mitchell was 6’8 245lbs youd 100% be fine… a&m mostly played henry coleman at the 5 most of the season he was 6’8 245lbs, they were the #1 rebounding team …the point you are missing is that mitchell is 205lbs
so youd put a 6’8 205lbs big at the 5?? in the big 12?
Mitchell shot ( 0 of 8) from 3pt last yr.
On a Texas team where bad shots were allowed.
And defensively, hes not a gritty defender either.
I hope he figures it out.
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