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I think Chris’s posts were extreme (at least the parts that were coherent enough for me to follow) and that he’s focusing on one minor but visible part of antisemitism. That’s why I commented to tell him so.
I didn’t see him pushing that criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitic in his post in this thread. I guess it is because I don’t consider “Death to Israel” (which is what he was mentioning) to be legitimate criticism of Israel, just like I don’t see “Death to USA” as legitimate criticism of the USA.
I just don’t think getting deeper into this and what is or isn’t criticism of Israel as being anything but a toxic political argument, especially in a thread that is supposed to expose antisemitism and I have tried to keep legitimate criticism of Israel from being lumped in with antisemitism in the thread. Although I’m not always successful.
I’m asking both of you, and anyone else who reads this, please let’s not go there.
terrible things happen all over the world all sorts of people.
The only type of protesting happening in America or anywhere else For that matter is against one particular nation. The words Used are not about that nation The type of people that Live in that nation.
Leave campuses out of it, it has nothing to do with campuses It is all over the place.
it is what it is. It is endless suffering and that has nothing to do with the last two years or 50 years. It has been going on since the time of Abraham.
While true for the most part, what differentiates this context with others is that some people see the USA’s support of Israel as funded genocide or inhumane occupation, and Israel just so happens to be a predominantly Jewish state that is designated and recognized as Jewish homeland
That being said, I think there is hypocrisy in the protests because a major reason why the Middle East has any stability at all is because of Israel’s support from the US. Israel is essentially an extension of US interests.
Does antisemitism predate the conflict? Absolutely.
That said, the very original post in this thread references Palestine, so if that’s what this discussion is going by, then by sheer rule i think this thread should be considered political no?
I never wrote that Dustin. To have elite university presidents supports anti Semitic chants and deaths to all Jews and Israel says it all.
I am not going to the forbidden zone. I am just stating facts.
Thank god most of the elite university presidents are out.
Anyone denying that Europeans do not follow US Universities “currents” has no idea about European universities views, followers. I was there over the holidays. It is even worst that is being reported.
I’m just trying to understand the consistency in this section of what is and isn’t allowed.
The Israel-Palestine conflict is political, yes?
The first original post is directly referencing Palestine, so why shouldn’t this thread get locked?
I’m not suggesting it should personally, but I’m merely trying to understand the reasoning. If there are any notable antisemites on this board, then why not just ban them?
Unfortunately (does not describe it) it is all over the place including campuses. The two have been intertwined for as long as I can remember here and abroad. Being so entrenched on campuses is more than troubling because it breeds entire generations of anti Semitic sentiments…and these same people get into day to day life.
Discussing antisemitism isn’t inherently political. It can become that and has at times.
The issue with politics is the petty toxic fights it causes. Avoid issues that cause those and you’re probably ok with your posts.
Almost anything can be considered political at some level so you will never get the black and white rules you want. We try to let people discuss stuff as best we can and don’t want to shut everything down. Some stuff is off limits though because it just starts fights.
Sorry if that answer is unsatisfactory to you. We do the best we can to keep things civil.
As is true with ANY form of irrational hatred and bigotry.
Duce630
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This thread started before the current mandate. When the antisemitism is a part of the statement on the war, I include it because they have said things that are clearly not criticism of Israel. Saying Jews would have raped Anne Frank is just disgusting and not criticism of Israel or the war. Calling Adolph Hitler “visionary leadership” also is not a criticism of Israel or the war, that was also in the first post.
I don’t want to bog this thread down with this minutae. If there are some things in this thread that I have posted that you think weren’t antisemitism but we’re legitimate criticism of Israel or the war, send me a direct message about it and we can discuss it.
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Duce630
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I think you have too much focus on campuses.
The people who march with tiki torches and say “Jews will not replace us” very likely aren’t getting those ideas on a college campus. The Black Hebrew Israelites saying they are the “real Jews” also aren’t getting that on college campus. Those are just two examples, I could name more including Ireland’s antisemitism. Right now, the college campuses are in the news and top of mind but only one part of the problem.
The interesting thing about the campus protests and the harassment of Jewish students is that harassers viewed them as Jewish first and Americans second. That is odd to me.
Ok the same thing happened with Catholics a century + ago. But you never hear of catholic bigotry anymore.
I wonder why American Catholics don’t face the bigotry like they used to but American Jews still do.
Duce630
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Whatever his intent, it counts because anti-semites and Neo Nazis took it as an endorsement. Though I’ve seen a lot of disagreement online about that, that’s just my opinion.
